From sentto-44114-16767-1034929979-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Oct 18 01:40:42 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:40:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.75]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 182SgR-00023D-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 01:40:39 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-16767-1034929979-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2002 08:32:59 -0000 X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 18 Oct 2002 08:32:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 9337 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2002 08:32:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2002 08:32:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r04.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2002 08:32:58 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id r.12f.19443bb4 (4529) for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 04:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <12f.19443bb4.2ae12134@aol.com> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 04:32:52 EDT Subject: [lojban] Re: enlighten Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_12f.19443bb4.2ae12134_boundary" X-archive-position: 2263 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pycyn@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --part1_12f.19443bb4.2ae12134_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/17/2002 7:41:19 PM Central Daylight Time, lojban-out@lojban.org writes: << > le lojbo? > > I guess just eschews *unmarked* metaphor, though >> And not even those in tanru. the rproblem with using {gusni} in the tanru for "enlighten" was not that it was a metaphor but that it was a dead metaphor, a calque. a malglico. Some better metaphor would have been nice. --part1_12f.19443bb4.2ae12134_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/17/2002 7:41:19 PM Central Daylight Time, lojban-out@lojban.org writes:

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le lojbo?

I guess just eschews *unmarked* metaphor, though

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And not even those in tanru. the rproblem with using {gusni} in the tanru for "enlighten" was not that it was a metaphor but that it was a dead metaphor, a calque. a malglico. Some better metaphor would have been nice.

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