From sentto-44114-16772-1034948959-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Oct 18 07:28:47 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 18 Oct 2002 07:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.84]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 182Y7H-00032n-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 07:28:43 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-16772-1034948959-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Oct 2002 13:49:19 -0000 X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 18 Oct 2002 13:49:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 5824 invoked from network); 18 Oct 2002 13:49:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Oct 2002 13:49:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r03.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.99) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Oct 2002 13:49:18 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id r.10f.18b905b6 (3924) for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <10f.18b905b6.2ae16b56@aol.com> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 09:49:10 EDT Subject: [lojban] Re: enlighten Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_10f.18b905b6.2ae16b56_boundary" X-archive-position: 2268 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pycyn@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --part1_10f.18b905b6.2ae16b56_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/18/2002 5:27:39 AM Central Daylight Time, lojban-out@lojban.org writes: << > One possibility would be to concentrate on the perceived loss of ego in > such states of consciousness. "nalse'i menli" perhaps? >> Well yes, except for the major schools which claim that what they achieve is maximization of the ego -- "I embrace the universe" cases. Maybe "loss of the false ego" but even this is not universal among such schools (and, of course, we may be talking about two or twenty different things, though, since Stace and [draw blank though I took classes from him, as I did from Stace], the view seems to have come back to "the same experiences through different lenses" school.) --part1_10f.18b905b6.2ae16b56_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/18/2002 5:27:39 AM Central Daylight Time, lojban-out@lojban.org writes:

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One possibility would be to concentrate on the perceived loss of ego in
such states of consciousness. "nalse'i menli" perhaps?

>>
Well yes, except for the major schools which claim that what they achieve is maximization of the ego -- "I embrace the universe" cases. Maybe "loss of the false ego" but even this is not universal among such schools (and, of course, we may be talking about two or twenty different things, though, since Stace and [draw blank though I took classes from him, as I did from Stace], the view seems to have come back to "the same experiences through different lenses" school.)

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