From sentto-44114-17178-1037919293-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 21 16:25:07 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:25:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.104]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18F1d4-0002W1-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 16:25:06 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-17178-1037919293-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2002 22:54:54 -0000 X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 21 Nov 2002 22:54:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 9942 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2002 22:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2002 22:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2002 22:54:53 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18F0Dl-00024U-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:54:53 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18F0Df-00024D-00; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:54:47 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:54:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.intrex.net ([209.42.192.250]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18F0Da-000241-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:54:42 -0800 Received: from Craig [209.42.200.11] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A413ADB0176; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:54:11 -0500 To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <20021121174244.GG31370@digitalkingdom.org> Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 2662 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 X-original-sender: raganok@intrex.net X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: "Craig" From: "Craig" X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 17:54:09 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: Newbie says hi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 2665 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojban-out@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list >> I don't think you can use se'inai like that. It's (afaik) supposed to >> indicate that you are oriented toward something which is not yourself, >> perhaps to indicate charity or something along those lines. (Which is >> a silly idea to me, I admit, but I suppose that someone might actually >> be capable of charity with absolutely no self-serving intent.) >I suppose nothing of the kind. However, the language is culturally neutral, or tries to be. Thus, we should not impose our own cynical views of human nature - if the language can express ulterior motives, it should be able to handle altruism just as deftly, whether its current speakers would ever use that feature or not. To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/