From sentto-44114-17296-1038633152-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Nov 29 21:13:09 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:13:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.90]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Hzw7-0008So-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2002 21:13:03 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-17296-1038633152-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2002 05:12:32 -0000 X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 30 Nov 2002 05:12:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 79106 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2002 05:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Nov 2002 05:12:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao02.cox.net) (68.1.17.243) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2002 05:12:31 -0000 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021130051229.YVQY2203.lakemtao02.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org> for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:12:29 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021130000308.03a38a90@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <0211292122280R.02982@neofelis> References: <5.1.0.14.0.20021129210004.03152dd0@pop.east.cox.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20021129210004.03152dd0@pop.east.cox.net> From: Robert LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 00:04:42 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: Fu'ivla diphthongs was: Official Statement- LLG Board approves new baseline policy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 2783 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list At 09:22 PM 11/29/02 -0500, Pierre Abbat wrote: >On Friday 29 November 2002 21:00, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > > It is NOT that "ua" is not permitted in a fu'ivla (I can't specifically > > recall a prohibition, at least), but that it is not clear that kuarka, > > ku,arka, and ku'arka can be considered as *different* words because of the > > alternate orthography (which would be unusable if we allowed all VV's to > > exist in both diphthong and non-diphthong forms). > >As I understand it, in standard orthography, commas make no difference to >word identity, e.g. spatrkinua=spat,r,kinu,a, even though they are accented >differently. So kuarka=ku,arka but kuarka<>ku'arka. > >In fu'ivla, SO ia-iu and ua-uu are unchanged in alternate orthography, and SO >i'a-i'u and u'a-u'u are AO i,a-i,u and u,a-u,u. So: >SO kuarka = AO kuarka >SO ku'arka = AO ku,arka >SO ku,arka = AO kuarka , since the comma is ignored in SO. Precisely. So ua is allowed in kuarka. Now repeat the analysis for srutio/sruti'o. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/