From sentto-44114-17523-1039029627-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Dec 04 20:26:50 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 04 Dec 2002 20:26:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.76]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Jnb4-0008SH-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2002 20:26:46 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-17523-1039029627-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n20.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Dec 2002 19:20:27 -0000 X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 4 Dec 2002 19:20:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 89744 invoked from network); 4 Dec 2002 19:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Dec 2002 19:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neofelis.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Dec 2002 19:20:25 -0000 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id 6149A3C477; Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:20:24 -0500 (EST) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] X-Spamtrap: fesmri@ixazon.dynip.com Message-Id: <02120414202304.01986@neofelis> From: Pierre Abbat MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 14:20:23 -0500 Subject: [lojban] cmegadri valfendi preti Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3050 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list I am calling {doi} a cmegadri for this purpose, even though it's not a gadri. According to BRKWORDS.TXT: 1) Names: a) If the last letter of the piece is a consonant, we have a name. A name must have a pause before it UNLESS it is immediately preceded by a /la/, /lai/, /la'i/ or /doi/ as a marker, and it cannot contain any of these markers unless the marker is immediately preceded by a conso- nant. So, look backwards from the end of the piece for any of the allowed markers. If we don't find one (e.g. /jonz/), then the whole piece has been resolved as a name. b) If you do find such a marker, then check what immediately precedes it. If there is nothing (e.g. /ladjAn/), or if a vowel precedes (e.g. /mivIskaladjAn./, break off the marker as a resolved piece (/la/), and what follows it is also a resolved piece, a name (/djAn/), leaving us with whatever preceded the marker, if anything, as still unresolved (/mivIska/). c) If what precedes the marker is a consonant (e.g. /karoslAInas/) then ignore the marker and continue looking backwards. This exception is allowed because /karos/ with no following pause cannot represent a separate word. I am doing two versions of the cmegadri finding routine, the alahum version and the standard version. The alahum version requires that the cmegadri be followed by a consonant; the standard version doesn't. Assuming that the standard version follows the instructions above, process {doias}. Looking backward, find {doi}. It is preceded by nothing, so break it off. The result is two pieces, {doi} and {as}. But that is wrong, since {doi as} must have a pause before {as}. The alahum version would not split it because {as} does not begin with a consonant. On {doi'as}, however, the standard version would again break it into {doi} and {'as}. {'as} would then be resolved as an error. The alahum version would not break it, and {doi'as} would be resolved as a cmene. So, for the standard version, should I look for a consonant or y'y after the cmegadri? Another question: why is the cmegadri broken off from what precedes it, instead of just breaking between the cmene and the cmegadri and leaving the cmegadri to be found later? What about {MUstelaVIson} and {muSTElaVIson}? How should they be analyzed? phma To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/