From sentto-44114-17597-1039132657-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Dec 05 19:45:54 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 05 Dec 2002 19:45:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.81]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18K9R3-0005Ps-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 19:45:53 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-17597-1039132657-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Dec 2002 23:57:38 -0000 X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 5 Dec 2002 23:57:37 -0000 Received: (qmail 64978 invoked from network); 5 Dec 2002 23:57:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Dec 2002 23:57:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Dec 2002 23:57:36 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18K5s8-0003Y9-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 15:57:36 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18K5ra-0003Xn-00; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 15:57:02 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 05 Dec 2002 15:57:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from lmsmtp03.st1.spray.net ([212.78.202.113]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18K5rU-0003XE-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 05 Dec 2002 15:56:57 -0800 Received: from oemcomputer (host213-121-70-55.surfport24.v21.co.uk [213.121.70.55]) by lmsmtp03.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66293CF23 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 00:56:23 +0100 (MET) To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021205053717.GA69718@allusion.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal X-archive-position: 3094 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-list: lojban-list From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2002 23:58:34 -0000 Subject: [lojban] penguins, neologisms, cratylism (was: RE: penguins Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 3110 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Jordan: > On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 12:17:18AM -0500, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > There isn't a gismu for penguin, but there is one for Antarctica, > > dzipo. I don't know a good word for penguin. I've tried these: > > sfenisku: meaningless lujvo. cipnrsfenisku is ok, but cumbersome > > sfeniku or sfenisu: ok, but don't sound quite right bisycpi: not > > all penguins live on ice, there are some as far north as > > Galápagos zipcpi or zi'ocpi: ditto. There are other birds there as > > well. zi'ocpi sounds like a nonexistent bird > > IMHO, none of > the above suggestions are bad except "sfenisku" and the type 4s I know why you think that; there are sound rational grounds. But {sfenisku} was my favourite. Long-form fuhivla do indeed seem too clunky, while lujvo can seem blandly homogeneous and lacking in distinctiveness, especially in what one might call 'cratylism', the property of form mystically embodying meaning. I've there's one person whose judgement I'd trust on neologisms, it would be Michael Helsem. --And. To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/