From sentto-44114-17615-1039160195-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Dec 06 00:31:00 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 06 Dec 2002 00:31:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.83]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18KDsu-0007ex-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 00:30:56 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-17615-1039160195-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2002 07:36:35 -0000 X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 6 Dec 2002 07:36:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 26007 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 07:36:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2002 07:36:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao03.cox.net) (68.1.17.242) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 07:36:34 -0000 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021206073633.BNXZ2204.lakemtao03.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org> for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 02:36:33 -0500 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20021206021824.03a3ab10@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 To: "Lojban@Yahoogroups. Com" In-Reply-To: References: From: Robert LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 02:25:58 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: Loglan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 3126 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list At 02:58 AM 12/6/02 +0000, And Rosta wrote: >Bob McIvor: > > On Mercredi, déce 4, 2002, at 19:52 US/Eastern, And Rosta wrote: > > > > > Bob McIvor: > > >> Most newcomers to TLI have looked at both languages before deciding > > >> to go with TLI > > > > > > I'm curious as to what their reasons were. Do you know? > > > > One commonly expressed reason is the appearance of the written > > language. Another is the proliferation of cmavo > > whose semantics and usage, are constantly debated > >Is this because fewer people are around to debate Loglan cmavo, or >because debate happens behind closed doors, or because the semantics >and usage of Loglan cmavo is more settled? If Loglan is more settled, >how was that achieved? And do you think that BF should consult >Loglan solutions for insights? Bob can of course clarify his intent, but my correspondence suggests to me that the mere fact that we expend so many hot electrons debating things gives the impression that Lojban is unstable and everchanging (and also that we are a bunch of intolerant and verbose hotheads). TLI Loglan, even though it is less committed to stability, had little or no debate (other than perhaps in the Academy), public or private - people were used to accepting decrees from God aka JCB. I suspect that TLI has incorporated few solutions that we would find insightful, if we are considering solutions, all possibilities are worthy of consideration, and one that might have seen usage in their community has slightly more credibility than an arbitrarily invented new concept that no one has actually tried to use. That is one reason why I thought Bob's participation in the byfy would be useful. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/