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From: Jordan DeLong <fracture@allusion.net>
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Subject: [lojban] Re: Old questions, still unanswered.
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On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 01:59:55AM -0000, And Rosta wrote:
> Jordan:
> > On Sat, Dec 07, 2002 at 12:49:20AM -0000, And Rosta wrote:
> > > Avital:
> > > > a) Is "ko'a broda je brode" equivelant to "ko'a broda gi'e brode"?
> > >=20
> > > Yes, I think=20
> >=20
> > The correct answer is "no"=20
> >=20
> > "the rule of expansion into separate bridi simply does not always=20
> > work for tanru
> > connection."
> > in chap 14, sec 12, with example=20
>=20
> Avital asks if these two sentences are equivalent, and it is not
> obvious to me how your quotation bears on this. Can you think of
> values for ko'a, broda and brode that would make one sentence true
> and the other false? I can't, but maybe you can, which is why I
> hedged. If you can, give example values.=20

Here's the example regarding this in the book that I alluded to:

Supposing Alice to be a person who lives in blue houses, then
12.6)    la .alis. cu blanu je zdani prenu
    Alice is-a (blue and house) type-of-person.
would be true, because tanru grouping with a jek has higher precedence than
unmarked tanru grouping, but:
12.7)    la .alis. cu blanu prenu
        .ije la .alis. cu zdani prenu
    Alice is-a blue person,
        and Alice is-a house person.
is probably false, because the blueness is associated with the house, not w=
ith
Alice, even leaving aside the question of what it means to say ``Alice is a
blue person''. (Perhaps she belongs to the Blue team, or is wearing blue
clothes.) The semantic ambiguity of tanru make such logical manipulations
impossible.

--=20
Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net
lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u
                                     sei la mark. tuen. cusku

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