From sentto-44114-17758-1039313813-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Dec 07 18:17:28 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:17:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.83]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Kr0W-0003AQ-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 18:17:24 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-17758-1039313813-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n27.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2002 02:16:53 -0000 X-Sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 8 Dec 2002 02:16:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 74180 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 02:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2002 02:16:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lmsmtp02.st1.spray.net) (212.78.202.112) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 02:16:53 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (host81-7-58-82.surfport24.v21.co.uk [81.7.58.82]) by lmsmtp02.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E3665B83A for ; Sun, 8 Dec 2002 03:16:51 +0100 (MET) To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20021207160941.03933aa0@pop.east.cox.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 02:19:03 -0000 Subject: [lojban] jboske, angels, pinheads (was: RE: Re: Loglan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3269 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Lojbab: > 3. Many people, including Nowicki the Ygyde promoter in a recent > alt.language.artificial post, have indicated that we give the impression > that Lojbanists can't agree about anything. To those who want to see a > language used rather than argued about, and those who simply aren't > interested in deep logicolinguistic discussion, this is a turnoff, > especially when the arguments are esoteric and therefore sound like arguing > how many angels dance on the head of a pin That simile is actually very apt. The actual question about angels had two relevant answers: "su'o no" and "na'i" -- i.e. depending on whether angels are material. Hence it was a serious and nontrivial question but latterly one that was not understood. Likewise for lojban debates. --And. To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/