From sentto-44114-17815-1039390083-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 08 15:28:38 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:28:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.69]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18LAqg-0007mk-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 15:28:34 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-17815-1039390083-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2002 23:28:04 -0000 X-Sender: raganok@intrex.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 8 Dec 2002 23:28:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 34449 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 23:28:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2002 23:28:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.intrex.net) (209.42.192.250) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 23:28:03 -0000 Received: from Craig [209.42.200.57] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A597115200D0; Sun, 08 Dec 2002 18:28:23 -0500 To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <150.1875cb1a.2b252d80@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-Declude-Sender: raganok@intrex.net [209.42.200.57] X-Note: Total weight is 0. Whitelisted X-eGroups-From: "Craig" From: "Craig" X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 18:28:02 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: ihi vs. ixi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3325 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ragnarok@pobox.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list >i didn't believe that "ihi is so incredibly hard to articulate", but i tried saying the two (ihi, ixi), and sure enough, when i say 'ihi', it sounds >(almost) like 'ixi'.. i'm not sure i can tell them apart all the time, but there is still a difference. the x-form is more emphatic than the h-form. >although german has both 'h' and 'x' (in front and back variants), i don't think they ever contrast. >in my high school spanish class (in phoenix), we were taught to use /h/ for spanish [g]/[j]. since then i've learned that it's more usual to pronounce it >as /x/, but i believe that the two are free variants of each other, at least in mexican spanish.. Join me in [T]-land! To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/