From sentto-44114-17948-1039618758-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Dec 11 10:07:49 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:07:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.69]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18MBGs-0000yy-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 10:07:46 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-17948-1039618758-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2002 15:00:33 -0000 X-Sender: opoudjis@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 11 Dec 2002 14:59:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 30239 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 14:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2002 14:59:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail023.syd.optusnet.com.au) (210.49.20.162) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 14:59:17 -0000 Received: from optushome.com.au (c17180.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au [210.49.155.40]) by mail023.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gBBExFi11285 for ; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:59:15 +1100 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <1DC96B22-0D19-11D7-8AA3-003065D4EC72@optushome.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) From: Nick Nicholas X-Yahoo-Profile: opoudjis MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 01:59:15 +1100 Subject: [lojban] Brochure Aesthetics cont. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3455 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: opoudjis@optushome.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Well, I know both John and And want serifed lojban, but I have to admit, I've grown attached to the kind of look represented by CLL (which I would characterise as 'monospacish', and 'sans-serifish'.) Trebuchet makes much more of a statement that Andale Mono, but it's funky and distinctive. I think I'll exercise my prerogative and stick with it. :-) I don't in principle object to a conventional serifed Lojban font, but the catch is finding someone truly distinctive from body text (Times, maybe Palatino) yet harmonious with it. (And of course, CLL biasses me.) But I will put a sampler up: http://www.opoudjis.net/dist/sampler.pdf . The only viable serifed alternative I see is Didot; and since I hate Computer Modern and its works, I'd rather not go there anyway... Garamond is not really immediately distinct from Times in full width, and is weird IMO in narrow. I was considering Optima for the notes/exercises text, not for Lojban text. I don't think its lowercase is particularly evil at all, but I would hesitate to use it for lojban: no distinctive serifs. (But oh, it's such a lovely font...) Mixing a monospacish and a proportional font in running text is disconcerting; but I really would rather lojban text embedded in English text be in a distinct font. I think we do need the cue, and we shouldn't be overloading Times italic (which already has plenty to do.) In fact, that's why I also use italic Trebuchet, for lojban Grammatical terminology (e.g. "the cmavo ka'e" --- "the" Times Roman, "cmavo" Trebuchet Italic, "ka'e" Trebuchet Roman." The fonts are all either freeware or came with my operating systems (which I assume makes them free game.) They're also all TrueType, since Postscript fonts aren't plentiful any more. If this becomes an issue with POD (I haven't checked recently), I may need to talk to Bob about his store of fonts; I don't want to do so right now, though. -- Dr Nick Nicholas, French & Italian, Uni. Melb. nickn@unimelb.edu.au http://www.opoudjis.net "Must I, then, be the only one to be beheaded now?" "Why, did you want everybody to be beheaded for your consolation?" Epictetus, Discourses 1.1. To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/