From sentto-44114-17922-1039559119-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Dec 12 02:53:36 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:53:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.64]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18MQyB-0000M6-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 02:53:31 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-17922-1039559119-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Dec 2002 22:25:19 -0000 X-Sender: sbelknap@uic.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 10 Dec 2002 22:25:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 24794 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 22:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2002 22:25:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO larch.cc.uic.edu) (128.248.155.164) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 22:25:18 -0000 Received: (qmail 14217 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 22:25:11 -0000 Received: from cis5044.uicomp.uic.edu (HELO uic.edu) (128.248.250.44) by larch.cc.uic.edu with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 22:25:11 -0000 Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com To: "gregvdyke " In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <3329A033-0C8E-11D7-A99A-000393629ED4@uic.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) From: Steven Belknap MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 16:24:51 -0600 Subject: [lojban] Re: What is the meaning of Loglan? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3470 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: sbelknap@UIC.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 12:39 PM, gregvdyke wrote: > On the one hand you want us to explicitely include TLI Loglan among > our list of collaborators and friends, as acknowledgement of it's > existence and respect for it's workers. > > On the other, you advocate plastering lojban.org with "loglan" and > intend your usage of "loglan" to mean "lojban" unless explicitely > stating otherwise. > > Is it just me or is there something really wrong here? You seem to be > imposing a usage which effectivley makes Loglan more diffucult to > talk about. How is that respectful? I seems more like kicking it in > the teeth to me. My concern is with those persons who were in the past interested in TLI Loglan, were never involved in the various political imbroglios, and now might be interested in LLG Loglan. I wish to facilitate their becoming aware of LLG Loglan, as I believe that will best allow them to pursue their interest in Loglan and will help to build the community of speakers. -Steven To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/