From sentto-44114-17959-1039642229-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Dec 12 06:00:02 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 12 Dec 2002 06:00:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.77]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18MTsP-00016h-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 05:59:49 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-17959-1039642229-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.200] by n21.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 11 Dec 2002 21:31:44 -0000 X-Sender: raganok@intrex.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 11 Dec 2002 21:30:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 95875 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 21:30:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2002 21:30:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.intrex.net) (209.42.192.250) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 21:30:27 -0000 Received: from Craig [209.42.200.38] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id AE783F390104; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:30:32 -0500 To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <24D55650-0D18-11D7-8AA3-003065D4EC72@optushome.com.au> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Declude-Sender: raganok@intrex.net [209.42.200.38] X-Note: Total weight is 0. Whitelisted X-eGroups-From: "Craig" From: "Craig" X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 16:30:22 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: Yellow Card to Jordan, And, and Craig Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3477 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ragnarok@pobox.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list >Craig, you're making your pilgrimage to Logfest soon, aren't you? :-) Hopefully, at some point. But it depends in part on factors out of my control. >from the next village, the entire village does it. (Craig thinks >Adam's dictum that "you don't have a reason to do this" is unnecessary >and divisive. I think Craig is being divisive because he's done a >Thinkit on this theta, and right now he looks to me like a community of >one --- but hey, let's see how he goes at Logfest...) I think that complaining about something the book explicitly mentions as valid is divisive, yes. I have explained that, to my ear (or my toungue, I'm not sure which) [T] is a more contrasting sound than [h]. Since the book lists both, we ought to all understand one another. I fail to see the connection to Thinkit. >And the heavens won't burst if people constrain lojban further than >does the baseline. That means people are trying to tell us something. No, they won't. That, to me, means that one of two things will happen as Lojban matures: 1. Experience will show that [T] is really preferable. 2. Experience will show that it doesn't matter. If 1, [T] will spread beyond me. If 2, then [T] will die when I do (And PC, but he seems to be fairly silent right now). To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/