From sentto-44114-18012-1039740424-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Dec 12 16:47:40 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:47:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.100]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18MdzL-00086z-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 16:47:36 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-18012-1039740424-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Dec 2002 00:47:05 -0000 X-Sender: raganok@intrex.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 13 Dec 2002 00:47:04 -0000 Received: (qmail 47396 invoked from network); 13 Dec 2002 00:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Dec 2002 00:47:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.intrex.net) (209.42.192.250) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Dec 2002 00:46:53 -0000 Received: from Craig [209.42.200.38] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id ADFC8E90248; Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:46:52 -0500 To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Declude-Sender: raganok@intrex.net [209.42.200.38] X-Note: Total weight is 0. Whitelisted X-eGroups-From: "Craig" From: "Craig" X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 19:46:57 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: normativity and contrarianism: how egregious is egregiousness? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3523 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ragnarok@pobox.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list >>It not infrequently happens, though, that I wish that issues on >>which I represent a highly beleaguered minority were put to the >>LLG for a vote -- a vote, that is, on whether the community at >>large prefers dissenting minorities to voice their dissent from >>within or to toe the majoritarian line or quit the community. >>That way I would know once and for all whether my services to >>Lojban are of value or whether I can in good conscience walk away >>and devote all the freed-up time to other neglected endeavours. >>I say this not in a spirit of petulance, but rather because I >>often find myself aghast at the amount of effort I expend and abuse >>I incur, relative to what my contributions actually achieve. >Your services to Lojban are extremely valuable, I hope you don't >ever decide to walk away. I've got to agree with Jorge here. Dissenters should voice their dissent, and those who disagree should voice that. It's the only way that everything will be thought through. To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/