From sentto-44114-18040-1039887207-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Dec 14 09:34:02 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 14 Dec 2002 09:34:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.72]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18NGAo-0004FO-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 09:33:58 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-18040-1039887207-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2002 17:33:27 -0000 X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 14 Dec 2002 17:33:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 63436 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 17:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2002 17:33:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neofelis.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 17:33:26 -0000 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id C57603C48B; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:33:18 -0500 (EST) To: X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] X-Spamtrap: fesmri@ixazon.dynip.com Message-Id: <0212141233150J.03697@neofelis> From: Pierre Abbat MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:33:15 -0500 Subject: [lojban] fu'ivla tarmi preti Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3551 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list According to the Book (or at least the downloadable version), a brivla may not contain a cluster of more than three consonants, and the second pair in a cluster must be an initial consonant pair. These rules are violated by the undefined fu'ivla {bongnanba} and by many type-3 fu'ivla such as {matcrflokati} and {cidjrspageti}. The rule as I understand it is that there may not be more than three consonants other than 'r', 'l', 'n', and 'm' in a row. The rule as implemented in vlatai is that there may not be more than three non-vocalic consonants in a row, where 'r', 'n', 'l', or 'm' is a vocalic consonant iff it is between two consonants. Thus {damskrima}, which I deem valid, is rejected by vlatai, while it accepts {dapmskrima} and {dasktrsktima}. What is the correct rule? phma To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/