From sentto-44114-18104-1040528560-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Dec 21 19:43:20 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.69]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Px1I-0007Vn-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:43:16 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-18104-1040528560-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Dec 2002 03:42:40 -0000 X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 22 Dec 2002 03:42:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 41540 invoked from network); 22 Dec 2002 03:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Dec 2002 03:42:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.8) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Dec 2002 03:42:39 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 21 Dec 2002 19:42:39 -0800 Received: from 200.69.6.18 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 22 Dec 2002 03:42:39 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Dec 2002 03:42:39.0303 (UTC) FILETIME=[2CCD9D70:01C2A96C] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.18] X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 03:42:39 +0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: Lemma and conjecture Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3616 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list la pier cusku di'e > > Maybe I misunderstood the conjecture. What I understood is that > > if you have two lerpoi that have the same pattern of vowels, > > consonants and clusters, then either the two are valid brivla > > or the two are invalid brivla. Isn't that the conjecture? That > > is what I showed to be true. > >You showed that to be true for lerpoi beginning CVV. Those are the only lerpoi for which r,n,l are special. All other lerpoi stand or fall independently of whether or not they have r,n,l. >There are still CVC and >CCV to consider. Anything that starts with those letters needs no special consideration for r,n,l. The pattern is either valid or invalid, it is also either a gismu, a lujvo or a fu'ivla, there are no mixed patterns in this category. >Is it possible for S1 to be a tosmabru of S3, while S4 is a >slinku'i of S2? S1 was the lujvo beginning with CVVRC, so it can't be a tosmabru of anything. S2 was a corresponding fu'ivla beginning with CVVKC, which can't be a slinku'i. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/