From sentto-44114-18164-1041439140-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jan 01 08:39:34 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 01 Jan 2003 08:39:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.71]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Tlty-0000BJ-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2003 08:39:30 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-18164-1041439140-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2003 16:39:00 -0000 X-Sender: Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 1 Jan 2003 16:38:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 58901 invoked from network); 1 Jan 2003 16:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Jan 2003 16:38:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.85) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jan 2003 16:38:59 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.141] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Jan 2003 16:38:59 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "Philip Newton " X-Originating-IP: 212.7.137.118 X-Yahoo-Profile: elder_newton MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 16:38:59 -0000 Subject: [lojban] I am the man who wrote you a letter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3676 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de" Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list How to say something like "I am the man who wrote you a letter"? Specifically, I'm having trouble with "I am the man who...". {mi nanmu} means for me "I am *a* man", and anyway, I don't think I can attach a {poi}-phrase to that. And {mi du le nanmu poi pu te xatra do} sounds malglico to me. I think the problem I have is the verb "to be", which doesn't have a 1:1 correspondence in Lojban. Also, {mi pu te xatra do} doesn't mean what I want to express -- I understand that as "I wrote you a letter", while I want to say something more like "It is I who wrote you a letter" or "The one/the man/the person who wrote you a letter was I". To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/