From noras@lojban.org Wed Jan 01 17:06:51 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 01 Jan 2003 17:06:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from lakemtao02.cox.net ([68.1.17.243]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Ttos-0002Kk-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 01 Jan 2003 17:06:46 -0800 Received: from nora.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030102010613.YLPV2203.lakemtao02.cox.net@nora.lojban.org> for ; Wed, 1 Jan 2003 20:06:13 -0500 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20030101200301.02c52920@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: noras@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2003 20:12:03 -0500 To: lojban-list@lojban.org From: Nora LeChevalier Subject: [lojban] Re: I am the man who wrote you a letter In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-archive-position: 3681 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: noras@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list At 04:38 PM 1/1/03 +0000, Phillip wrote: >How to say something like "I am the man who wrote you a letter"? > >Specifically, I'm having trouble with "I am the man who...". {mi >nanmu} means for me "I am *a* man", and anyway, I don't think I can >attach a {poi}-phrase to that. And {mi du le nanmu poi pu te xatra >do} sounds malglico to me. I am a prime opponent of "du" in most cases. However, when there are two descriptions that yield "known" entities, and you wish to express the *claim* that they both actually identify the same entity, then it's valid. The case I think of as a good example is "Clark Kent is Superman" (to the people who know Clark Kent and also know Superman). I think it is valid here for the same purpose. However, I agree with Robin Turner that "nanmu" would only be used if that were important; otherwise, I'd leave it out altogether, getting: mi du le te xatra be do -- mi'e noras noras@lojban.org Nora LeChevalier