From sentto-44114-18189-1041690999-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Jan 04 06:37:22 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 04 Jan 2003 06:37:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.68]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18UpQE-0006tm-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 06:37:10 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-18189-1041690999-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Jan 2003 14:36:39 -0000 X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 4 Jan 2003 14:36:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 43037 invoked from network); 4 Jan 2003 14:36:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Jan 2003 14:36:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.146) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jan 2003 14:36:38 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Jan 2003 06:36:38 -0800 Received: from 200.69.6.4 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 04 Jan 2003 14:36:38 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2003 14:36:38.0619 (UTC) FILETIME=[B0A0D2B0:01C2B3FE] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.4] X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 14:36:38 +0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: Can a fu'ivla begin with five or more consonants? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3701 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list la pier cusku di'e >The Book states that a brivla cannot begin with more than two consonants or >have a cluster of more than three consonants. The latter does not apply to >fu'ivla, so I am wondering about the former as well. It is possible to make >arbitrarily long strings of consonants consisting entirely of initial pairs >by repeating "stct" or "zdjd". It is also possible to make a string of five >consonants all of whose pairs are initial, so I came up with a pair of >strings. Is {stcmlatu} a word, or is {lestcmlatu} a word? I have always assumed {stcmlatu} would be the word. This wiki page: http://www.lojban.org/wiki/index.php/Positive%20characterization%20of%20fu%27ivla%20space gives as a condition for fu'ivla that the forms should "have no four consonants in a row, none of which is syllabic". Does that come from CLL? That would block things like "stct" and "zdjd", if it is an actual rule. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/