From sentto-44114-18262-1042228015-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jan 10 11:47:40 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:47:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.72]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18X57v-00025J-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 10 Jan 2003 11:47:35 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-18262-1042228015-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Jan 2003 19:46:58 -0000 X-Sender: lee@piclab.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 10 Jan 2003 19:46:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 85345 invoked from network); 10 Jan 2003 19:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Jan 2003 19:46:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO sanantonio.piclab.com) (66.216.68.43) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jan 2003 19:46:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 12294 invoked by uid 502); 10 Jan 2003 19:47:43 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <20030110194743.GA12287@piclab.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-URL: http://www.piclab.com/lee/ From: Lee Daniel Crocker X-Yahoo-Profile: bowtie95841 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 13:47:43 -0600 Subject: [lojban] Re: open and save] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3774 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lee@piclab.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list > (robin ): > > Do we really want to continue the metaphor? Isn't there something else > which would represent the state of an open file (i.e. that it is > currently being read from / written to)? "Active" springs to mind, > except that unless it's an executable, it's really more passive than active. Seems to me the right metaphor for opening/closing a file is {kalri} and {ganlo}: we're not opening a container so much as we're being granted access (where the "door" is access rights, etc.), allowing information to flow between program and disk. That makes the button labels {kargau} and {ga'ogau} (perhaps with {pe'a} if desired). -- Lee Daniel Crocker "All inventions or works of authorship original to me, herein and past, are placed irrevocably in the public domain, and may be used or modified for any purpose, without permission, attribution, or notification."--LDC To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/