From phma@ixazon.dynip.com Sun Feb 09 17:29:16 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 09 Feb 2003 17:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from 208-150-110-21-adsl.precisionet.net ([208.150.110.21] helo=blackcat.ixazon.lan) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18i2ky-00081D-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2003 17:29:12 -0800 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 718F17CCE; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 01:28:50 +0000 (UTC) From: Pierre Abbat Organization: dis To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: sumtcita needed, badly. Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 20:28:50 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: <20030208083222.GB16074@digitalkingdom.org> <20030209142323.GA5185@allusion.net> <20030210000118.GM16074@digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20030210000118.GM16074@digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200302092028.50160.phma@webjockey.net> X-archive-position: 4074 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sunday 09 February 2003 19:01, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > Uhhh, "I say that you talked to me" is "mi cusku le du'u do mi tavla', > isn't it? "mi cusku lesedu'u do mi tavla" is "I say the sentece "do mi > tavla"", isn't it? > > The x2 of du'u is a literal sentence: > > du'u NU bridi abstract > abstractor: predication/bridi abstractor; x1 is > predication [bridi] expressed in sentence x2 "mi cusku le du'u do mi tavla" means "I say the abstract predication 'you talk to me'", which doesn't make sense, as one can't utter abstract predications but can only express predications in a language. "mi cusku le sedu'u do mi tavla" means "I say a sentence expressing that you talk to me", whereas "I say the sentence 'do mi tavla'" is "mi cusku lu do mi tavla li'u". phma -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman.