From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Mon Feb 10 10:38:30 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:38:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18iIoz-0005BH-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:38:25 -0800 Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 10:38:25 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: sumtcita needed, badly. Message-ID: <20030210183825.GA16074@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20030208083222.GB16074@digitalkingdom.org> <20030208105312.GD16074@digitalkingdom.org> <20030208143935.GA99931@allusion.net> <20030208174529.GG16074@digitalkingdom.org> <20030209142323.GA5185@allusion.net> <20030210000118.GM16074@digitalkingdom.org> <20030210024144.GA18279@mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030210024144.GA18279@mit.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.3i From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 4077 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 09:41:44PM -0500, Rob Speer wrote: > On Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 04:01:18PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > Uhhh, "I say that you talked to me" is "mi cusku le du'u do mi > > tavla', isn't it? "mi cusku lesedu'u do mi tavla" is "I say the > > sentece "do mi tavla"", isn't it? > > > > The x2 of du'u is a literal sentence: > > > > du'u NU bridi abstract > > abstractor: predication/bridi abstractor; x1 is > > predication [bridi] expressed in sentence x2 > > You're thinking of abstractions as if they were brivla. The thing > inside "du'u" or "sedu'u" isn't the x1 or x2, it's [bridi]. x1 and x2 > are two different abstractions that come from this bridi. The {se} > only switches these places; it doesn't change what the du'u contains. Thank you, and others. This helps. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** I'm a *male* Robin. .i le pamoi velru'e zo'u crepu le plibu taxfu .i le remoi velru'e zo'u mo .i le cimoi velru'e zo'u ba'e prali .uisai http://www.lojban.org/ *** to sa'a cu'u lei pibyta'u cridrnoma toi