From xod@thestonecutters.net Fri Feb 28 07:39:04 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 28 Feb 2003 07:39:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18omar-0007xM-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 07:38:37 -0800 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h1SFcdS05216 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:38:39 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:38:39 -0500 (EST) From: Invent Yourself To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Any (was: Nick will be with you shortly) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20030228103736.P4979-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 4221 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Craig wrote: > >> > But "mi djica lo mikce" is true under different circumstances than > >> > "mi djica mikce". It's clearer if you translate to english; > >> > the first: There is a doctor (some doctors) that I need. The > >> > second: I need any doctor(s). > >> > >> Are you trying to say "n'importe quel"? I think the way to say this is > "lo > >> mikce", where "" is some discursive in UI, though I'm not sure which. > > >That was xod's argument. "lo da'icu'i mikce", etc. > > >However this still doesn't solve the problem. "lo mikce" has to > >be the same as "da poi mikce". "I need some doctor" or "There is > >a doctor that I need". It cannot do "I need any doctor". > > What you think 'lo mikce' means, re-expressed with das, is 'pada poi mikce'. > 'da poi mikce' (= 'lo mikce') means ANY da that mikce. Similar to how 'da na > prane prenu' means 'nobody is perfect', not 'somebody is imperfect'. pada also means "any", since it's still not specific about the doctor that's being asked for. -- What would Jesus bomb?