From sentto-44114-18835-1046862225-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Mar 05 03:05:51 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 05 Mar 2003 03:06:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.103]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18qWh8-0003wr-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2003 03:04:18 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-18835-1046862225-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n35.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2003 11:03:45 -0000 X-Sender: gordon.dyke@bluewin.ch X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_1); 5 Mar 2003 11:03:45 -0000 Received: (qmail 19267 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2003 11:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2003 11:03:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.bluewin.ch) (195.186.4.73) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2003 11:03:44 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (62.202.159.237) by mail2.bluewin.ch (Bluewin AG 6.7.015) id 3E1029A20064B2FF for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:03:44 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c2e306$bb534260$ed9fca3e@oemcomputer> To: "jboste" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "G. Dyke" X-Yahoo-Profile: gregvdyke MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 12:01:47 +0100 Subject: [lojban] Any Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 4346 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: gordon.dyke@bluewin.ch Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list I have two possible solutions to the problem of saying: "I need a doctor" (ie any doctor will do) (1){mi nitcu lu'a lo'i mikce} or (2){lo se nitcu be mi cu mikce} I think these both work but set out to solve different problems. (1) says "take the set of doctors, I need a member of that set". ta'o This is also the way I would solve "Someone feed the cat": {lu'a ro ko le mlatu} (2) arises from another concern. I'm wondering whether it would work differently if da is scoped as being a {se nitcu}. It only works if the following are not equivalent: mi nitcu da poi mikce da poi se nitcu be mi cu mikce da se nitcu be mi gi'e mikce btw I assume: mi nitcu da poi mikce = da poi mikce zo'u mi nitcu da = mi nitcu lo mikce What do you think? Greg -- http://www.myepfl.ch/gregory.dyke e'osai ko sarji la lojban - www.lojban.org "That man is such an ignoramus, Father." [...] "Stand inside his soul and see the world through his eyes. You will feel the pain he feels because of his ignorance, and you will not laugh." -- Chaim Potok, "The Chosen" ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Yahoo! Web Hosting makes it easy to build a professional web site. Sign up today and get free set-up, domain name, and more (up to a $100 value) http://us.click.yahoo.com/m3JvCD/wCpFAA/46VHAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/