From sentto-44114-18844-1046877385-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Mar 05 08:16:29 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 05 Mar 2003 08:16:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.104]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18qbYw-00011S-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2003 08:16:10 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-18844-1046877385-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n36.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2003 15:16:25 -0000 X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_1); 5 Mar 2003 15:16:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 89809 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2003 15:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2003 15:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2003 15:16:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 07:16:24 -0800 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Mar 2003 15:16:24 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2003 15:16:24.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F8E4620:01C2E32A] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 15:16:24 +0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: Any Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 4355 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list la greg cusku di'e >I have two possible solutions to the problem of saying: > >"I need a doctor" (ie any doctor will do) > >(1){mi nitcu lu'a lo'i mikce} The way I understand {lu'a}, {lu'a lo'i mikce} is equivalent to {lo mikce}. Both are "at least one member of the set of all doctors". But I won't claim that {lu'a} has such a well established definition as {lo}. There are different understandings of how LAhEs work and they've never been fully clarified. >or > >(2){lo se nitcu be mi cu mikce} [...] >(2) arises from another concern. I'm wondering whether it would work >differently if da is scoped as being a {se nitcu}. It only works if the >following are not equivalent: > >mi nitcu da poi mikce >da poi se nitcu be mi cu mikce >da se nitcu be mi gi'e mikce Those are all equivalent. In logical terms, they all reduce to Ex:N(mi,x)&M(x) where N(,) is nitcu and M() is mikce. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> DVD Rentals with No Late Fees - Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/abvVKB/pEZFAA/46VHAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/