From sentto-44114-18865-1046904672-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Mar 05 14:51:49 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 05 Mar 2003 14:51:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.71]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18qhjj-0004pm-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 05 Mar 2003 14:51:43 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-18865-1046904672-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Mar 2003 22:51:12 -0000 X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_1); 5 Mar 2003 22:51:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 31479 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2003 22:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2003 22:51:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail.reutershealth.com) (65.246.141.36) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2003 22:51:12 -0000 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (mail [65.246.141.36]) by mail.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA01491 for ; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:48:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200303052248.RAA01491@mail.reutershealth.com> Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:51:10 -0500 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <20030305174203.T88738-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> from "Invent Yourself" at Mar 05, 2003 05:43:18 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Profile: john_w_cowan MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:51:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: [lojban] Re: The Any thread Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 4376 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Invent Yourself scripsit: > > The existence of one or more doctors that fail the need test ("need not" > > is not a negation of "need" in English, leading to still more confusion) > > *does* falsify "mi nitcu lo mikce", which is good evidence that it does > > not translate "I need a doctor, any doctor", but rather means "There > > is/are doctor(s) that I need." > > Will you explain, though, under what definition of "not specific" or "not > in-mind" do you use to restrict lo mikce beyond any doctor? There is none. But I can need a doctor even if there are no doctors, whereas "mi nitcu lo mikce" is false if there are no doctors. -- They do not preach John Cowan that their God will rouse them jcowan@reutershealth.com A little before the nuts work loose. http://www.ccil.org/~cowan They do not teach http://www.reutershealth.com that His Pity allows them --Rudyard Kipling, to drop their job when they damn-well choose. "The Sons of Martha" To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/