From sentto-44114-19300-1050527349-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Apr 16 14:09:49 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.68]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 195uA1-0000jP-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:09:42 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-19300-1050527349-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 16 Apr 2003 21:09:09 -0000 X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 16 Apr 2003 21:09:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 50753 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2003 21:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 16 Apr 2003 21:09:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO skunk.reutershealth.com) (65.200.144.21) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2003 21:09:08 -0000 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by skunk.reutershealth.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C9DD046E34 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:09:10 -0400 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <20030416210910.GX14888@skunk.reutershealth.com> References: <20030412212738.GD907@miranda.org> <20030414234935.GK5214@digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20030414234935.GK5214@digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Profile: john_w_cowan MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:09:10 -0400 Subject: [lojban] Re: materials needed for resumption of ju'i lobypli Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 4798 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Robin Lee Powell scripsit: > I would like to see someone write a discussion of mu'ei and all the > issues related to it in Truly Moronic Idiot speech, please. No points for me, but here it is in short words. We use "mu'ei" to talk about what must be or could be true. To do this, we speak of states of the world. There are a lot of states that the world could have. I could be dead or not dead. You could be dead or not dead. That is four states right there. As you can see, the count of states, when each case has been thought of, will be huge. States like the one in which 2 + 2 is 5 do not count, for we can't think clear thoughts about them: we don't know what they mean. If you add "mu'ei" with a PA in front to a claim, it tells me that your claim is true in just PA states of the world. The PAs "no", "su'o", and "ro" are the PAs that will be most used with "mu'ei". The word "romue'i" is a lot like "must be", and "su'omu'ei" is a lot like "could be"; "nomu'ei" means "can't be". You can say things like mu'ei lo du'u le trene cu spofu kei mi (jai) lercu, which means "If the train breaks down, I would be late". The "so'X" group works with "mu'ei" too, to mean things like "quite likely is" down to "might possibly be". -- John Cowan www.ccil.org/~cowan www.reutershealth.com jcowan@reutershealth.com In might the Feanorians / that swore the unforgotten oath brought war into Arvernien / with burning and with broken troth. and Elwing from her fastness dim / then cast her in the waters wide, but like a mew was swiftly borne, / uplifted o'er the roaring tide. --the Earendillinwe ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/