From sentto-44114-19364-1050769225-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Apr 19 09:21:04 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.100]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 196v5E-0007GR-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:20:56 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-19364-1050769225-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n32.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2003 16:20:26 -0000 X-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 16:20:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 7940 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 16:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 16:20:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.intrex.net) (209.42.192.250) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 16:20:24 -0000 Received: from craig [209.42.200.60] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-7.13) id A749C45023A; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:20:25 -0400 To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Declude-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com [209.42.200.60] From: "Craig" X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:20:28 -0400 Subject: [lojban] FW: The art of place structure. (And how to destroy it.) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 4863 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ragnarok@pobox.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Since this is going back on-list, here is the response I sent eye_onus. -----Original Message----- From: Craig [mailto:ragnarok@pobox.com] Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 11:47 AM To: eye_onus Subject: RE: The art of place structure. (And how to destroy it.) >> >would have to say 'mi klama le sorcu fu karce', and if I then, as >an >> >> It would be "fu lo karce". Gadri were the last common thing I >learned to use >> properly; the simple rule is that all sumti need them even if the >English >> doesn't. > Actually, I was thinking 'my car', not 'a car' or 'the car', so it >would be 'fu le mi karce', correct? Correct. > I'll take your advice, then, as I'm sure that every Lojbanist would >understand that in 'mi klama sorcu fu le mi karce fa zo'e zo'e', 'fa' >would mean 'The first /unfilled/ sumti place' and not 'the first >sumti place' in the context. Unfortunately, it doesn't. It means the first place. What you want really is 'mi klama lo sorcu fu le mi karce *fi* zo'e zo'e'. BTW, zo'e is almost never used. Any place that is not filled is filled with zo'e by default; I've only seen zo'e explicitly put in when it was a place people might forget existed. Representational painting, for example, where what the painting is of is one of the little-used later places and the writer didn't want you to think they meant abstract art. > In that case, I'll be as maglico as is possible... MWA HA HA. >Seriously, though, I try to be as explicit as possible, and tend to >be very lengthy in English, because I don't like to be misinterpreted >or misunderstood. Yet another reason to take up Lojban, eh? So your English is malylojbo? ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/