From sentto-44114-19365-1050770221-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Apr 19 09:37:39 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:37:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.101]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 196vLI-0007Kg-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 09:37:33 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-19365-1050770221-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Apr 2003 16:37:02 -0000 X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 19 Apr 2003 16:37:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 97363 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2003 16:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Apr 2003 16:37:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO blackcat.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2003 16:36:58 -0000 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 6D7E4406A; Sat, 19 Apr 2003 16:37:03 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban@yahoogroups.com User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <200304191237.03025.phma@webjockey.net> From: Pierre Abbat MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:37:03 -0400 Subject: [lojban] Re: The art of place structure. (And how to destroy it.) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 4864 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Friday 18 April 2003 22:39, eye_onus wrote: > I recently came across la lojban. due to Eric S. Raymond (the author > of 'The Jargon File') and his paper on using J.R.R. Tolkien's Tengwar > character set for Lojban. I've been working on learning it, and have > recently completed Chapter 3 of 'Lojban for Beginner's' by Robin > Turner and Nick Nicholas, whereupon I came to the lojban > word 'klama' : x1 goes to x2 from x3 via route x4 by means x5 > > As in 'I go to the store from my house via Bradway using my car.' > > The thing is, I would think that the means for how x1 goes to x2 > would be used more often than where the x1 departs from (x3) or > especially what route x1 is taking (x4). i.e. 'I go to the store in > my car.' happens more often than 'I go to the store from my house.' > x4 I would not think is used much at all. > > So, if I wanted to say 'I went to the store in my car.' in Lojban, I > would have to say 'mi klama le sorcu fu karce', and if I then, as an > afterthought, also decided to say where from and what route, I would > finish that with 'fi zo'e zo'e'. I am familiar with 'se' and related, > which switch x1 and xn, but is there a way to alter the place > structure of 'klama' to mean 'x1 goes to x2 by means x3 from x4 via > route x5'? If you go to the store to buy something, that's zarci or zaisle, not sorcu. When I went to the sorcu, I got my furniture out of it, where I had put it some years before. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/