From sentto-44114-19603-1052059105-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun May 04 07:39:23 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 04 May 2003 07:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.82]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19CKdl-0003iN-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sun, 04 May 2003 07:38:57 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-19603-1052059105-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n26.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 May 2003 14:38:26 -0000 X-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_6); 4 May 2003 14:38:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 31487 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 14:38:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 May 2003 14:38:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.intrex.net) (209.42.192.250) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2003 14:38:24 -0000 Received: from craig [209.42.200.60] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-7.13) id A5E41F070232; Sun, 04 May 2003 10:38:28 -0400 To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20030504030759.GQ28808@ccil.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Declude-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com [209.42.200.60] From: "Craig" X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 10:38:23 -0400 Subject: [lojban] Re: Some ideas/questions (long) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 5102 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ragnarok@pobox.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list >> Or better yet, why not use the three-letter rafsi all >> the time? That would shorten text considerably and, when the words >> are only one syllable long, it could reduce the need for all the word >> shortcuts that may also be complicated to learn. Not only that, but >> using rafsi full-time means that, in order to make lujvo, all you >> must do is jam words together. >It would also eliminate the difference between tanru and lujvo, an >essential Loglan/Lojban concept. My understanding is that this is basically the -gua!spi approach. >"gaufek" is not well-formed, because it doesn't end in a vowel; otherwise, >your reasoning is entirely sound. "gaufek" also does not have a consonant cluster in its first five letters. Thus, breaks up as "gau fek" - a cmavo and a cmene. >> Another oddball >> is the bottle/jar/urn example above...'x1 is a bottle' plus 'x1 is >> made of x2'? And why must lid be specified in this predicate? >Because the presence of the lid is what makes it a botpi rather than >a kabri or perhaps a patxu or even something else. "Lid" can be >identified with cork or stopper as well. I feel bottle is a misleading keyword. "botpi" is a lidded container, which may or may not be a bottle. It certainly has a lid. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping & No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/BVVfoB/hP.FAA/uetFAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/