From bruce@brucewebber.com Tue May 06 15:49:32 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 06 May 2003 15:49:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.4netaccess.com ([63.118.78.142] helo=mailserver120.sectorlink.com) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19DBFT-0006kn-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 06 May 2003 15:49:23 -0700 Received: from [68.74.11.224] by mailserver120.sectorlink.com with SmartMax MailMax for lojban-list@lojban.org at Tue, 06 May 2003 18:49:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1052261359.10876@mailserver120.sectorlink.com> Message-ID: <3EB83BF1.20302@brucewebber.com> Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 18:49:21 -0400 From: Bruce Webber User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: measuring semantic space References: <10d.23f47ac0.2be96916@wmconnect.com> <1052250947.11394@mailserver120.sectorlink.com> In-Reply-To: <1052250947.11394@mailserver120.sectorlink.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-archive-position: 5169 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: bruce@brucewebber.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Jay F Kominek wrote: > On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 03:37:58PM -0400, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > >>In a message dated 2003-05-06 5:56:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lojban@yahoogroups.com writes: >> >> >>>How does one demonstrate that? (Or, for starters, measure semantic space?) >> >>my first thought is: by starting with everything and successively dividing it >>into smaller spaces. rick morneau (creator of katanda/nasendi) does this or >>very similar. > > > And when do you stop dividing? > > >>second thought: use concept lists (e.g. roget's thesaurus). > > > That does nothing for you, as you have no idea (let alone evidence or > *proof*!) that whatever list you use is complete. If we apply the map-territory analogy to language and the world it describes, we see that language will always be inaccurate and incomplete. No amount of dividing will completely cover the "semantic" space. Hence the need for tanru, lujvo, and more complex structures. mu'o mi'e brus. -- brus.uebr. Bruce Webber bruce@brucewebber.com http://www.brucewebber.com