From gregory.dyke@epfl.ch Sun May 11 12:17:44 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 11 May 2003 12:17:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail4.bluewin.ch ([195.186.4.74]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19EwKE-0001GS-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 11 May 2003 12:17:35 -0700 Received: from epfl.ch (62.202.161.202) by mail4.bluewin.ch (Bluewin AG 6.7.018) id 3EBB9C78000326AC for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 11 May 2003 19:16:59 +0000 Message-ID: <3EBEA11C.5040703@epfl.ch> Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 21:14:36 +0200 From: Gregory Dyke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.2.1) Gecko/20021130 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] zi, vi, ca, bu'u Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-archive-position: 5213 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: gregory.dyke@epfl.ch Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list I've been sort of reading over the phpbb, and I'm trying to get clear what the cmavo in the subject line should be used for. First: Am I correct in saying that zi is the time equivalent of vi? and that ca is the time equivalent of bu'u? On irc, I said: ma nuzba vi le norge (the example xorxes quotes on phpbb) Is this incorrect or just not as accurate as it should be? What would be a less "foreign" way of saying this? ma nuzba ne'i le norge ma nuzba bu'u le norge ... What exactly does bu'u mean? Pragmatically, two objects cannot occupy the same space: I can be in something, around something, but not coincident with something. Usage tends to favour {ca} in such sentences as "mi klama ca le cabdei", but {vi} in "mi citka vi la bastn" These two sentences contain virtually the same information, one about time, the other about space. And yet one uses {vi} and the other {ca}. I'd have thought they should be using equivalent tenses: "mi klama zi le cabdei" or "mi citka bu'u la bastn" Which is it?