From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Tue May 27 07:50:53 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 27 May 2003 07:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web41904.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.155]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Kfmg-0002dx-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 27 May 2003 07:50:38 -0700 Message-ID: <20030527145008.4575.qmail@web41904.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.49.74.2] by web41904.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 May 2003 07:50:08 PDT Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 07:50:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Jorge "Llambías" Subject: [lojban] Re: Digest Number 1752 To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 5451 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list la nitcion cusku di'e > >It doesn't strike me as a natural class of syntactic classes, since > >the only thing that those syntactic classes have in common is that > >they all have the morphological property of being expressed by > >cmavo. > > ... and that they are function words and not content words. Some cmavo are content words too. The clearest case is BAIs, each of which has the full semantic content of a gismu. > Whose > syntax may be disparate, sure, but has in common that it is not the > syntax of predicates. Some cmavo (selma'o GOhA) do almost have the syntax of predicates, the only difference being that GOhAs can take the modifier {ra'o}. [...] > >Even so, there were some gaps left. For example, one that came up > >recently on the list: > > > >tirna sance > >viska jvinu > >sumne panci > >pencu tengu > >????? vrusi > > BPFK mantra: we are not here to optimise Lojban :-) . vrusyzga it remains... {vrusyga'e}, actually, for that series. I think only viska has a zgana version (i.e. catlu). > >As for usability in lujvo, one that I've often missed is something > >correponding to Esperanto -inda, "deserving of". > > mapti is kind of vague, but can be pressed into service, surely. There are workarounds, yes, but it is a word I've missed in several occasions. [...] > >I agree. Not only for gismu, but also for lujvo and fu'ivla. They should > >not be added willy-nilly and without due consideration. Especially so in > >the case of gismu forms. > > So, we're in agreement. Which I should have realised. :-) Yes, I only disagree with the absolute proscription position. mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com