From jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Tue May 27 13:24:25 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 27 May 2003 13:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from web41905.mail.yahoo.com ([66.218.93.156]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Kkzb-00054M-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 27 May 2003 13:24:19 -0700 Message-ID: <20030527202349.59952.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [200.49.74.2] by web41905.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 27 May 2003 13:23:49 PDT Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:23:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Jorge "Llambías" Subject: [lojban] Re: Symbiosis and related topics To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-archive-position: 5465 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list la sanxiyn cusku di'e > If my understanding is correct, > "commensalism" does not mean that the arrangement is commensal: > it just means what it is. (I am not specialized in this area! Do > not ask me how _exactly_ commensalism is defined.) Etymologically "commensal" means co-tabler, one who shares the table. Commensalism is a symbiotic relationship where one of the species benefits and the other is unaffected, so one of the species is welcome to the table of the other, as it were. > ---- Lojban coinages > Now, my rendering of above calques into Lojban: > > gunma jmive (gumji'e) > x1 is symbiotic system, composed of symbionts x2. Other variants: mivykansa: x1 is in a symbiotic relationship with x2. mivykansi'u: x1 (mass) are in a symbiotic relationship. > simxu xamgu (simxau) > x1 is a set of mutually beneficial members x2. I would say xaursi'u: x1 (mass) are mutually beneficial (by standard x2). simxau: x1 and x2 are beneficial for one another (by standard x3). This is because it is normally the last component of the lujvo that determines the place structure. Maybe to be systematic: mivykansa: x1 symbiotic with x2 (nu mivykansa: symbiosis) mivysimxau: x1 mutually beneficial with x2 (nu mivysimxau: mutualism) mivyvi'e: x1 is a commensal of x2 (nu mivyvi'e: commensalism) mivyxaitcu: x1 is a parasite of x2 (nu mivyxaitcu: parasitism) mu'o mi'e xorxes __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com