From sentto-44114-19972-1054082623-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue May 27 17:44:20 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 27 May 2003 17:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.108]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19Kp38-0006em-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 27 May 2003 17:44:14 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-19972-1054082623-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n40.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2003 00:43:43 -0000 X-Sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 60308 invoked from network); 28 May 2003 00:43:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2003 00:43:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.64) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2003 00:43:42 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.176] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2003 00:43:42 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030526234045.03003aa0@pop.east.cox.net> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jjllambias2000" X-Originating-IP: 200.69.5.76 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 00:43:39 -0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: emotions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 5470 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list la lojbab cusku di'e > > A few words like > >mango, pitsa or taksi have a special status in that they are international > >_and_ are already gismu-form without any need of adaptation. [...] > > It is hard > >to resist those, since they don't even need a dictionary definition in order > >to be understood. > > Which is a good reason to resist them. You understand the word without a > place structure, and you have a bunch on 1-place predicates - the language > isn't much of a predicate language if most relations are unary. But none of those would be 1-placers. (And in any case, why would exptal gismu differ from fu'ivla in this respect?) The place structure of mango is trivially: "x1 is a mango of species x2". Anyone with a minimum familiarity with the gi'uste can guess that. The place structure for pitsa is not so immediately self-evident, but I would bet everyone would come up with "x1 is a pizza with ingredients x2". Again some familiarity with the gi'uste almost imposes that place structure. The place structure for taksi is perhaps the least obvious of the three, but almost certainly I would bet it has the passengers/cargo in x2. mu'o mi'e xorxes ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/CNxFAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/