From sentto-44114-19978-1054095580-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue May 27 21:20:18 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 27 May 2003 21:20:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.70]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19KsQ7-0007lO-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 27 May 2003 21:20:11 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-19978-1054095580-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 May 2003 04:19:41 -0000 X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 29530 invoked from network); 28 May 2003 04:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 May 2003 04:19:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao03.cox.net) (68.1.17.242) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2003 04:19:40 -0000 Received: from bob.lojban.org ([68.100.92.1]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030528041939.OYTD23518.lakemtao03.cox.net@bob.lojban.org> for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 00:19:39 -0400 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030528001252.03c6d420@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: References: <5.2.0.9.0.20030526234045.03003aa0@pop.east.cox.net> From: Robert LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 00:19:06 -0400 Subject: [lojban] Re: emotions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 5475 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list At 12:43 AM 5/28/03 +0000, jjllambias2000 wrote: >la lojbab cusku di'e > > Which is a good reason to resist them. You understand the word >without a > > place structure, and you have a bunch on 1-place predicates - the >language > > isn't much of a predicate language if most relations are unary. > >But none of those would be 1-placers. (And in any case, why would >exptal gismu differ from fu'ivla in this respect?) Precisely the question. fu'ivla are second rate not-quite-lojban words, usually concocted on the fly without a lot of thought because they were needed to talk about things in an area of specialty. gismu are the fundamental roots of the language, supposedly the most carefully reviewed area of the language. I want to keep the distinction quite clear. lujvo are greatly preferred to fu'ivla even at the expense of length because they are internal to the language, and are capable of being analyzed for a predicted place structure, even if usage does not necessarily abide by jvojva. lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/CNxFAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/