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Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 21:16:55 -0500
From: Jordan DeLong <fracture@allusion.net>
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Subject: [lojban] Re: Beginner's take on the open/closed gismu debate (was: Re: emotions)
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On Wed, May 28, 2003 at 11:45:28AM -0700, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote:
> --- tk1@despammed.com wrote:
> > [Jorge Llamb?as:]
> > > i ua le cmalu krokodilo
> > > cu zengau le ky rebla
> > > si'u le djacu pe la nilos
> > > le ka camri'ojvebla
> > [...]
> >=20
> > I am thinking of replacing the last two words with e.g. "solji skapi"...
> > which still leaves two syllables for random interjections.
>=20
> But it won't rhyme with rebla...
>=20
> > 	forall x (nanmu(x) <=3D> (remna(x) /\ exists y exists z nakni(x, y, z)=
))
> >=20
> > (Ah! I think I got it.) I tried reading up Chapter 16 of the Reference
> > Grammar to see how to put the above into Lojban, but apparently the mat=
erial
> > is incomplete -- there is no mention on how to group subexpressions, wh=
at
> > scopes quantifiers have, etc.
>=20
> That would be something like:
>=20
>  ro da zo'u go da nanmu gi ge da remna gi su'o de su'o di zo'u da de di n=
akni

Why are you guys so verbose?  :)

{ro da go nanmu gi remna gi'e nakni} is exactly the same as both
of the lojbo-ified versions of the formula so far.

--=20
Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net
lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u
                                     sei la mark. tuen. cusku

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