From sentto-44114-20336-1057755236-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jul 09 05:54:36 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 09 Jul 2003 05:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.85]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19aESr-0001Wi-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 05:54:29 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-20336-1057755236-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jul 2003 12:53:57 -0000 X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 8663 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2003 12:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Jul 2003 12:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2003 12:53:55 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Wed, 9 Jul 2003 13:53:43 +0100 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 09 Jul 2003 13:56:16 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 To: mathmaniac , lojban From: And Rosta X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 13:55:46 +0100 Subject: [lojban] Re: Emily Dickinson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 5833 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list sanxiyn: > > se xabju lo flira na mulno > > se viska lo trina poi ka'e > > gi le firjulne gi ke'a se vimcu > > le du noi se mu'i gi ke'a > > > ge catlu co bumru gi djica > > je narcru gi no da co'udji > > gi'e pu bo ganse lo poi'i da ke'a > > se xanri je mansa ra'idji > > > mi'e and > > melbi ku'i ki'a ki'a ki'a > > How does that parse? There are probably errors. Indeed, the first word of line 1 should be "te", not "se". Most of the contortion is due to trying the reproduce a Lojban version of the original metrical and rhyme scheme. (Replacing iambs and masculine line endings with anapests and feminine line endings, and replacing full rhyme with partial rhyme.) There was no point me just trying to capture the meaning, for you had done a very elegant job there, and, I'm sure, captured Emily's exquisite diction much much much better. (Nice to know there are Emily fans in Korea and Lojbanistan!) The only bit of nonprescription Lojban I'm aware of is "poi'i", which is a NU but means "poi", i.e. "lo poi'i ...ke'a .... kei" = "da poi .... ke'a ... ku'o". "se mu'i gi broda gi brode" = "broda, in order that brode". "ka'e gi le firjulne gi ke'a se vimcu" = "[if the veil then perhaps the allure] is removed" = "if the veil is removed then it could be that the allure is removed". With line one with "te xabju", "lo trina" is in surface x3, underlying x1, i.e. is the inhabitor. Apart from these, I think the rest is in pretty ordinary syntax. --And. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Free shipping on all inkjet cartridge & refill kit orders to US & Canada. Low prices up to 80% off. We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark & more. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5510 http://us.click.yahoo.com/y8_tZA/6oVGAA/ySSFAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/