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From: Jorge "Llambías" <jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar>
Subject: [lojban] Re: "Game", "Player"
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la kreig cusku di'e

> e'a is an attitudinal. Any person can join; not every person does and I feel
> enabled.

{e'a} is not about feeling enabled, it is about granting permission.
Here's an example from CLL:

3.8)  .e'a do sazri le karce
    [permission] You drive the car.
    Sure, you can drive the car.

With {ka'e} you make a statement of fact, not a rule. A rule has to
allow or forbid something. 

> Your rules apply only to you. They are your rules, which pertain to you and
> nobody else.

I'm not very familiar with this game. Does this mean you can't make 
a rule like "every player gains one point", but you can make one
that says "I gain one point"? How can rules of different players
ever agree if they can only pertain to their creators?

> >You mean {loi javni pe ro kelci}, I suppose. But is that the mass
> >of rules, each of which is associated with every player, or the mass
> >of rules, each of which is associated with at least one player?
> 
> The latter, and I meant loi jvaste - it is about the rulesets of most
> players, not most rules of players.

I guess that's {lei jvaste pe su'o kelci} then.
 
> >And what does 'tugni' mean here? 'Explicitly coincide', or just
> >'not contradict'? Is it a majority of all rules, even rules that
> >have nothing to do with the fasnu in question?
> 
> They have to explicitly agree that the fasnu occurs; otherwise everything
> would be happening unless it was stopped from doing so by a majority of
> players.

Perhaps you can say that a rule that appears in a majority of 
the player's rule sets becomes a member of the ralju jvaste. Or 
maybe I'm misunderstandig something, is a fasnu something different 
than a rule? 

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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