From ragnarok@pobox.com Fri Jul 11 12:11:18 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.intrex.net ([209.42.192.250]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19b3IU-0005Pf-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 12:11:10 -0700 Received: from craig [209.42.200.92] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-7.13) id ABAE4F0015E; Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:10:38 -0400 From: "Craig" To: Subject: [lojban] Re: "Game", "Player" Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 15:11:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <002801c347dc$fe201b00$02e1fea9@oemcomputer> Importance: Normal X-Declude-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com [209.42.200.92] X-archive-position: 5869 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ragnarok@pobox.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list >> With {ka'e} you make a statement of fact, not a rule. A rule has to >> allow or forbid something. >Most or many linguists see language rules as like a game's rules, and >the majority of these linguists see language rules not as allowing or >forbidding but simply as defining (what counts as a sentence of the >language; what counts as a playing of the game). >So if you (implicitly) add to Craig's rules a clause "ro da go da is >an instance of this game gi" and then list all the rules (appropriately >connected by ANDs and ORs), then Craig's ka'e would be preferable to e'a. Gah, you're confusing me! Okay, so which should it be? e'a or ka'e? -- mi'e kreig daniyl "LogFest is legendary for its bloody and disturbing hazing rites." -xod