From robin@bilkent.edu.tr Thu Jul 17 13:55:37 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:55:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr ([139.179.30.24]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19dFmi-0001Op-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:55:29 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546D131F01 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:54:55 +0300 (EEST) Received: from bilkent.edu.tr (ppp102.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr [139.179.111.102]) by manyas.bcc.bilkent.edu.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5288E26F98 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 23:54:53 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <3F170EE7.7090601@bilkent.edu.tr> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 00:02:31 +0300 From: Robin Turner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030701 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, tr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban Vs. Esperanto References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20020531 X-archive-position: 5899 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: robin@bilkent.edu.tr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Craig wrote: >>My name is Myriam and have the pleasure to contact you in order to obtain > > some information for a research about planned languages. I would > >>like to know which are the advantages of Lojban as an international > > language over other planned languages, especially Esperanto. Is it > >>easier to learn? Is it more connected to modern technology? How many Lojban > > speakers are by the moment? > >>Thanks in advance for your kind reply, > > > Lojban and Esperanto are not in competition in any way. There are in fact a > reasonable number of people who are involved with both. > > Esperanto seeks to be a second language for the world, so that everyone can > communicate with everyone else. While it is unlikely to succeed in this, it > is much more successful at it than any other interlanguage. Lojban has no > such ambitions. Well, that's the official line. However, some Lojbanists _are_ interested in the use of Lojban as an auxiliary language, especially in certain areas where precision is important (e.g. law, philosophy). However, I don't think many, if any, Lojbanists are actively seeking the Esperantists' "finvenko" ("final victory" - everyone in the world learns the same second language). In auxlangs, like Esperanto Occidental or Interlingua, the focus is on international communication. In some conlangs like Klingon or Elvish, the focus tends to be on the mythos (with a few exceptions, Klingonists tend to be into Star Trek and speakers of Elvish are Tolkien fans). Lojban is unusual (though probably not unique) in that the focus is geenraly the language itself. People generally learn Lojban because they think it's a fascinating language, then maybe later become interested in its possible applications: international (more importantly, _intercultural_ communication), human-machine interaction, meta-linguistics, patent law ... we even had some mails once from a psychotherapist who was wondering if learning Lojban attitudinals (words for attitudes, feelings etc.) could help patients clarify their emotions. robin.tr -- "A strategy is still being formulated." Robin Turner IDMYO Bilkent Univeritesi Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin