From a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Tue Jul 22 06:14:07 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 22 Jul 2003 06:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lmsmtp01.st1.spray.net ([212.78.202.111]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ewxj-0000Dw-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 06:13:51 -0700 Received: from oemcomputer (host81-7-55-46.surfport24.v21.co.uk [81.7.55.46]) by lmsmtp01.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D9C91E798 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 15:13:19 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <002a01c35053$0845b6c0$c2e1fea9@oemcomputer> From: "And Rosta" To: References: <20030721180838.U72693-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> <00df01c34fd9$2cf11340$55350751@oemcomputer> <20030722005320.GA61835@allusion.net> <3F1CE8E8.5050000@bilkent.edu.tr> Subject: [lojban] Re: le du Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 14:12:26 +0100 Organization: Livagian Consulate MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-archive-position: 5953 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Robin.tr: > Jordan DeLong wrote: > > Of course, in *real* usage, in a case where the referent wasn't > > recently mentioned, you'd probably say "zo'e". > > > I can't see the point in using zo'e in the first place - if it's > obvious, leave it blank. A couple of possible reasons: 1) To avoid leaving a blank that might incorrectly be filled by implicit ke'a or ce'u (since by default the first blank place gets filled by ke'a/ce'u). 2) To indicate that the place is not to be filled by implicit zi'o. However, if one goes to the trouble of using explicit zo'e, one could equally well go the trouble of choosing a more precise sumti. --And.