From sentto-44114-20466-1058965145-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Jul 23 05:59:44 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 23 Jul 2003 05:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.69]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19fJDV-0000dT-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 05:59:37 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-20466-1058965145-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.156] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2003 12:59:05 -0000 X-Sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 47612 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2003 12:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 23 Jul 2003 12:59:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.78) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jul 2003 12:59:04 -0000 Received: from [66.218.66.122] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jul 2003 12:59:04 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <000e01c3510b$9b5c1860$fe7aa8c0@ONEOF> User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "jjllambias2000" X-Originating-IP: 200.49.74.2 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 12:59:02 -0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: use of ko'a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 5962 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias2000@yahoo.com.ar Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list la ctefan cusku di'e > And Rosta wrote: > > Translate English "They went." I can see two ways: > > 1. ko'a klama > > 2. le du cu klama > > Neither uses anaphora, and I cannot see any way of using anaphora. > > You can use a description though: > > - le za'emei cu klama > > Which is better since it translates the plurality of they into lojban. If the plurality is important, one can use {le za'u du} or {lei za'u du} too. In fact, {lei za'u du} is probably closer to "they" because {le za'umei} means "each of the more-than-one-somes" whereas {lei za'u du} is just the one more-than-one-some. If you want "they" as in "each of them" then {le za'umei} won't do and you have to use {le za'u du} (or {le za'u da}). > You could also use {da} or a BY. cmavo if you have some idea how to call > THEM. You can always use {le su'o da} instead of {le du}, but it is longer. I'm not sure about BY cmavo without an antecedent. I suppose they would work just as well as the ko'a series. mu'o mi'e xorxes ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy No Snore & Get a Good Night's Sleep. Natural Oral Spray -- $24.95 (1 bottle, 1 month supply, with sweet almond oil, eucalyptus oil & more). http://www.challengerone.com/t/l.asp?cid=2881&lp=h515.html http://us.click.yahoo.com/2oMABA/nuYGAA/ySSFAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/