From sentto-44114-20522-1059645158-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Jul 31 02:53:18 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:53:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.99]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19iA7S-0001sh-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 02:53:10 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-20522-1059645158-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Jul 2003 09:52:39 -0000 X-Sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 90568 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2003 09:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 31 Jul 2003 09:52:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lmsmtp04.st1.spray.net) (212.78.202.114) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2003 09:52:36 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (host213-121-69-104.surfport24.v21.co.uk [213.121.69.104]) by lmsmtp04.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5673D47E98; Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:52:34 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <000e01c35749$7bf52b80$684579d5@oemcomputer> To: "John Cowan" Cc: References: <013501c356f0$e4f7f120$3f3d0751@oemcomputer> <20030731015027.GB3024@mercury.ccil.org> Organization: Livagian Consulate X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 10:52:35 +0100 Subject: [lojban] Re: le duX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 6018 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list John: > And Rosta scripsit: > > > I had assumed that co'e ranges across all possible relations, not across > > all possible grammatical selbri. But I may be wrong; it may be that co'e > > is indeed the counterpart of zo'e, in which case the question was wrongly > > reposed. > > co'e was indeed intended as a counterpart of zo'e, but I don't understand > your distinction between "all possible relations" and "all possible > grammatical selbri", unless it is a matter of referent and reference. zo'e clearly ranges over words (specifically, grammatical sumti phrases), not referents/'things', since zo'e's range includes "su'oda" & arguably "zi'o" -- which aren't referential. I'm happy to accept that co'e, like zo'e, ranges over words rather than relations (i.e. over expressions rather than meanings). In that case, though, I should repose my question again, to something more like the following. bu'a : lo : da go'a : -- : ra broda : -- : ke'a co'e : tu'o1 : zo'e ????1 : tu'o2 : zi'o ????2 : le : ????3 ????1 would substitute for "du" in "le du". ????3 would serve the function that ledu-users use ledu for. ????2 would be what I had formerly thought co'e to be. --And. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/sO0ANB/LIdGAA/ySSFAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/