From sentto-44114-20530-1059752950-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Aug 01 08:50:04 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.88]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19icA1-0002rV-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 01 Aug 2003 08:49:41 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-20530-1059752950-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2003 15:49:10 -0000 X-Sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 68080 invoked from network); 1 Aug 2003 15:49:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Aug 2003 15:49:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lmsmtp02.st1.spray.net) (212.78.202.112) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 2003 15:49:09 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (host81-7-58-143.surfport24.v21.co.uk [81.7.58.143]) by lmsmtp02.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 777745B68A for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:49:07 +0200 (MEST) Message-ID: <005601c35844$7583d3e0$6c4579d5@oemcomputer> To: References: <1059645923.311.82478.m12@yahoogroups.com> <000201c35823$e521c0c0$fe7aa8c0@ONEOF> Organization: Livagian Consulate X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2003 16:49:09 +0100 Subject: [lojban] Re: le duX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 6026 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list ctefan: > And Rosta wrote: > > > In that case, though, I should repose my question again, to something more > > like the following. > > > > bu'a : lo : da > > go'a : -- : ra > > broda : -- : ke'a > > co'e : tu'o1 : zo'e > > ????1 : tu'o2 : zi'o > > ????2 : le : ????3 > > > > ????1 would substitute for "du" in "le du". ????3 would serve the function > > that ledu-users use ledu for. ????2 would be what I had formerly thought > > co'e to be. > > What does the middle line mean? As I understood it the difference between > {le} and {lo} is the following: > > da poi broda >> lo broda > da voi broda >> le broda {le} is specific/referential, {lo} is for quantified variables. {lo broda} is equivalent to {da poi broda}, but {le} is not equivalent to {da voi broda}; that spurious equivalence is an old misanalysis. {le broda} would be equivalent to {????3 voi broda}, where the "????3" expresses the specificity and the "voi" expresses that the description is not asserted. > Could somebody explain why {broda} corresponds to {ke'a}? broda-series gismu are assignable 'names' like ko'a-series are -- {cei broda} is analogous to {goi ke'a}. --And. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Free shipping on all inkjet cartridge & refill kit orders to US & Canada. Low prices up to 80% off. We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark & more. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5510 http://us.click.yahoo.com/GHXcIA/n.WGAA/ySSFAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/