From sentto-44114-20627-1063141152-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Sep 09 14:00:11 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 09 Sep 2003 14:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.81]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19wpaW-0006xM-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 13:59:48 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-20627-1063141152-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Sep 2003 20:59:12 -0000 X-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 23761 invoked from network); 9 Sep 2003 20:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Sep 2003 20:59:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO smtp.intrex.net) (209.42.192.250) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Sep 2003 20:59:11 -0000 Received: from craig [209.42.200.117] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-7.13) id AF1DE47300A4; Tue, 09 Sep 2003 16:59:09 -0400 To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Declude-Sender: ragnarok@pobox.com [209.42.200.117] From: "Craig" X-Yahoo-Profile: kreig_daniyl MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 16:59:01 -0400 Subject: [lojban] Re: FW: Book Idea: ko ko ctuca fo la .lojban. bau la .lojban. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 6123 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ragnarok@pobox.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list >>> Inspired by the Esperanto Autodidakte, I think Lojban should have >>> one too. This is a book[1] that teaches a language without using >>> any language but itself to do so. It starts off as a picture book >>> with captions. >I like the idea a great deal. >>> My current idea is to have the first two pictures introduce la >>> .alis. and la .bab., and then have them meet each other and so on, >>> but that's just a sketchy framework. >Would it not be more "lojbanic" to choose names that were less clearly >derivatives of common English names? Yes, it would. I think the standard "example" name should also be la .rod. rather than using various angloclone names. I vote for gisms as character names. Or randomly generated things that fit the phonology, but those might develop some humorous meanings... >>> If no-one else wants to do this, I'll probably take a crack at it >>> eventually, but I wanted to throw it out to the community in case >>> someone else wants to start work. >I'm certainly interested.... >Barring clip-art or photo-shoot solutions, I'll volunteer to do >illustrations. Robin has pointed out to me that a book with photos probably costs more, but clipart probably won't have all the right people doing the right things. So I would love to see it done by a Lojbanist illustrator. >>> I think easily available clip art would suffice for most of our >>> pictorial needs. >> >> In general I love the idea; however, I think most easily-availible >> clipart > >will be under copyright. >Almost certainly, though some has relatively liberal licensing. Some of >the Dover collections come to mind. Especially if the product isn't for >sale..... Any lojbanists who also happen to be professional designers >might have access to stock photo collections with quite open licensing >(once you've paid hundreds of dollars or more for a collection, you can >pretty much do what you want with it). Yes, but acquiring the stuff in the first place is kinda tricky. >However, clip art might have the problem of continuity. Finding a >series of pictures with identical individuals doing the right things >for the story will be hard..... Of course. We could always get silly and use illustrations like the Risus RPG. >> Maybe at the next LogFest we have a photoshoot, >> using Lojbanists in attendance to play la .alis. and la .bab.? >Of course, contrary to my early suggestion about "lojbanic" names, >there's a couple of pretty obvious stand-ins for la .alis. and la .bab. >at a typical LogFest, isn't there? Yup. >> Better yet, >> we could have a book of true tales from LogFest, with photos! >Perhaps that's a separate book, or a later chapter or installment of >the Autodidakte? Maybe. Whoever takes charge of this (won't be me, at least not now) gets to decide, I think. -- .kreig.daniyl. "Paginate my subjective reality, baby!" -Taliesin ragnarok@pobox.com teucer@bnomic.org ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/