From sentto-44114-20643-1063505179-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Sep 13 19:06:58 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.86]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19yMHq-0008Qa-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:06:50 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-20643-1063505179-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Sep 2003 02:06:20 -0000 X-Sender: xah@xahlee.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 81726 invoked from network); 14 Sep 2003 02:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.172) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Sep 2003 02:06:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host2-4.remarkablehosting.net) (208.186.130.4) by mta4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Sep 2003 02:06:18 -0000 X-ClientAddr: 172.194.234.188 Received: from xahlee.org (ACC2EABC.ipt.aol.com [172.194.234.188]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by host2-4.remarkablehosting.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h8E269p03392; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 22:06:10 -0400 Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com To: Bob LeChevalier In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030911085151.06638260@pop.east.cox.net> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.552) X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-ILON-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-eGroups-From: xah From: xah X-Yahoo-Profile: p0lyglut MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:06:03 -0700 Subject: [lojban] Re: deciphering the gismu list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 6139 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: yahoo@xahlee.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Thanks Bob LeChevalier for the authoritative reply. Shouldn't the format spec as you just gave given somewhere on the site along with the gismu list? Xah xah@xahlee.org http://xahlee.org/PageTwo_dir/more.html Xah Lee wrote: > is there a format spec for the gismu list? > > i.e.  a sample line from the gismu list looks like this: > > pensi pes     pei  think                'pensive'            x1 > thinks/considers/cogitates/reasons/is pensive about/reflects upon > subject/concept x2          3l 164    [also: x1 is thoughtful (one > sense); x2 is mental (one sense)/intellectual (one sense) (= selpei)]; > (cf. cmavo list pe'i, jijnu, menli, morji, sidbo, jinvi, se nabmi, > minra, lanli, besna, saske, skami) On Thursday, September 11, 2003, at 06:04 AM, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > Columns 1-5 is the gismu itself > 6-19 are up to three assigned rafsi, with position in the field > indicating > the form CVC CCV or CVV > 20-39 is the English keyword - a unique word useful for remembering the > word but not necessarily a definition; being unique was more critical > than > being definitional > 41-60 is a hint word which may be an alternate word with related > meaning > that may be used as a memory aid (these might not be unique or > unambiguous) > 62-157 official place structure definition > 159-160 letter and number code associating the word with the original > Lojban textbook outline to give the intended teaching order. > 161-164 a frequency count from 1993, giving an ordering based on usage > up > to that point > The latter two were used to generate non-alphabetical sorted lists > based on > two plausible ordering in which one might want to learn the words. > 165+ contains additional information that did not fit into the place > structure field, generally explanatory, with cross-references to > related words. > > Originally, only the first three fields were baselined, but the > community > has treated the entire document as frozen for several years.  The byfy > is > responsible for making any changes to it at this point. > > lojbab > > -- > lojbab                                             lojbab@lojban.org > Bob LeChevalier, Founder, The Logical Language Group > (Opinions are my own; I do not speak for the organization.) > Artificial language Loglan/Lojban:                 > http://www.lojban.org > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/