From sentto-44114-20747-1063970855-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Sep 19 04:28:19 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:28:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.74]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A0JQk-00036h-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 04:28:06 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-20747-1063970855-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.197] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2003 11:27:36 -0000 X-Sender: viric@vicerveza.atutiplen.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (qmail 56721 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2003 11:27:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2003 11:27:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO yuha.menta.net) (212.78.128.42) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2003 11:27:34 -0000 Received: from gibson.menta.net ([212.78.128.22]) by yuha.menta.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id HLGL9202.6BB for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:29:26 +0200 Received: from vicerveza.atutiplen.net ([62.57.232.142]) by gibson.menta.net (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15 gibson Mar 14 2002 21:29:48) with ESMTP id HLGLCU00.59O for ; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:31:42 +0200 Received: by vicerveza.atutiplen.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C9DC516AF9; Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:22:36 +0200 (CEST) To: lojban list Message-ID: <20030919112236.GA852@vicerveza.menta.net> Mail-Followup-To: lojban list User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i From: Llu'is Batlle i Rossell MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 13:22:36 +0200 Subject: [lojban] ki'a ne'i la tiki. tiki. pembos. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 6243 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: viric@vicerveza.homeunix.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list coi I have read the tikitiki as my first lojban text reading try.... I've had some problems in some sentences; although I've not finished reading "Lojban for beginners", or the "Reference Grammar", I hope you can answer to some of those questions (or give me links about them). 1. One sentence says: da poi nalcitno ninmu cu se mamta re nanla That 'se' tells me that "re nanla" are the mother of the ninmu. 2. How would you translate "le re nanla cu nelci co cpare se zdile" ? I've understood something like "the two boys are amused and enjoy climbing (the dwell)". Is that ok? 3. I don't understand the use of "roi" after a number; can anyone give me a translated example? The cmavo definition hasn't helped me too much... 4. What is "nagi'a"? "gi'a" is 'bridi or' iirc. But "nagi'a"? 5. In ".iseki'unai cpare le re nanla", the "se" affects 'cpare' ? 6. In "ca pa djedi la tcang. cpare le jinto", which is the main selbri? I think there should be a ku after "djedi". Or I don't understand the sentence at all. :) Can anyone explain me (with an example is ok) the use of djedi using its 'x2'? 7. There may be a misstyping in ".i le mamto cusku lu lemi ...." near the end of the story. 8. There seems to be a lujvo: "jauva'umro" in the sentence which has the "nagi'a" mentioned earlier. There is no CC in first five letters, but I don't get which is the selbri of the bridi after "nagi'a". Thanks for your help! I have more questions, but I think I'll learn them in next lessons. co'o rodo -- Una sociedad fundada en la servidumbre podrá conformarse con la monarquía absoluta; una sociedad basada en el salario y en la explotación de las masas por los detentadores del capital, se acomoda con el parlamentarismo. Pero una sociedad libre que vuelva a entrar en posesión de la herencia común, tendrá que buscar en el libre agrupamiento y en la libre federación de los grupos una organización nueva que convenga a la nueva fase económica de la historia. -- P. Kropotkin, "La Conquista del pan" ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Buy Remanufactured Ink Cartridges & Refill Kits at MyInks.com for: HP $8-20. Epson $3-9, Canon $5-15, Lexmark $4-17. Free s/h over $50 (US & Canada). http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=6351 http://us.click.yahoo.com/0zJuRD/6CvGAA/qnsNAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/