From xod@thestonecutters.net Tue Oct 07 08:52:25 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 07 Oct 2003 08:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A6u8C-0007sd-Kp for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 07 Oct 2003 08:52:12 -0700 Received: from granite.thestonecutters.net (localhost.thestonecutters.net [127.0.0.1]) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h97FlU2v091305 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:47:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h97FlUbm091302 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:47:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) X-Authentication-Warning: granite.thestonecutters.net: xod owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2003 11:47:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Invent Yourself To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: le fanmo sinxa pe la pier. In-Reply-To: <3F82FBC7.20262.1E80A84@localhost> Message-ID: <20031007114546.V89275-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 6364 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Tue, 7 Oct 2003, Philip Newton wrote: > On 7 Oct 2003 at 8:22, Llambías wrote: > > > But isn't Mahatma a title, like Dalai Lama? If we > > don't say {la lord} or {la doktor}, we shouldn't really > > say {la ma'atman}. Both {ma'atma} and {mo'anda} are > > valid fu'ivla. > > As I understand it, Mohandas is his given name and Mahatma is a title > of reverence ("Great Soul", I believe). > > Not sure whether that's in the same league as "Lord" or "doctor"; > perhaps more like "The Iron Chancellor" or "the Governator"; more a > kind of nickname than a class. pe'i zoi xy. ma'atma .xy sinxa lo selsinma .i na steci la .gandis. -- Economic power is exercised by means of a positive, by offering men a reward, an incentive, a payment, a value; political power is exercised by means of a negative, by the threat of punishment, injury, imprisonment, destruction. The businessman's tool is values; the bureaucrat's tool is fear.