From xod@thestonecutters.net Fri Oct 17 08:08:19 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1AAWCd-0005a6-1m for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:07:43 -0700 Received: from granite.thestonecutters.net (localhost.thestonecutters.net [127.0.0.1]) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9HF2npN029986 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:02:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.12.6/8.12.6/Submit) with ESMTP id h9HF2mgX029983 for ; Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:02:49 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) X-Authentication-Warning: granite.thestonecutters.net: xod owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:02:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Invent Yourself To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Posterity Badness. In-Reply-To: <20031016233042.GL1016@digitalkingdom.org> Message-ID: <20031017105806.P29733-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 6455 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Thu, 16 Oct 2003, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 11:12:52AM -0700, Jorge Llamb?as wrote: > > > > --- Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > 'angeli'. > > > > > > Other than that, no idea. Having seen the word 'angeli', I > > > simply assumed that it was written by a very poor Lojbanist, and > > > didn't read the rest. I'm rather surprised to find out I was > > > wrong. > > > > That's an odd reaction. {angeli} is a valid fu'ivla, it is the > > type of culturally specific word that fu'ivla were meant for, and > > on top of that it has seen some usage other than in this piece. I > > remembered having read this passage on the list before, though I > > didn't remember it was from tsali. > > I don't like type-4. I *especially* don't like type-4 when > the concept is trivially expressible with a lujvo (in this case > cesru'i or cesycrida, take your pick). > > And I had no idea it was valid. My internal Lojban recognizer > screamed at the sight of it ju'oru'e ganai da'i do nalglico je lojbo sanji gi do ka'enai srera tu'a lo glico seri'a le nu lojbo lanli zo angeli -- Implicit in the term "national defense" is the notion of defending those values and ideals which set this Nation apart. United States Supreme Court, U.S. v. Robel (1967)